Mark Warner, CEO of Liberation Labs

The Plantbased Business Hour

CEO of Liberation Labs, Mark Warner, discusses the scaling potential of novel, fermented proteins on this episode of The Plantbased Business Hour.

Scaling fermented proteins isn’t as easy as one might think and the need for scaling is immense.  Will fermented proteins go the way of plant-based foods and suffer a production bottleneck, unable to supply demand?

CEO of Liberation Labs, Mark Warner, discusses the scaling potential of novel, fermented proteins with me on this episode of The Plantbased Business Hour.

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Specifically, we discuss

  1. Why do we need to commercialize purpose-built manufacturing facilities and industrial biotech scale for precision fermentation? Can’t we repurpose pharmaceutical assets?
  2. What kind of demand and consumer acceptance will we see of fermented proteins inputs?
  3. What kind of financing is available to build out the infrastructure necessary for fermented proteins?
  4. Will governments invest in alt proteins like they did in alt energy?
  5. What is the growth strategy for Liberation Labs?

Here is a transcription of a short clip from our conversation.

Elysabeth: Why can’t we just repurpose assets from the pharmaceutical industry? I had never considered location as a reason why that might not be the right fit. Of course, when you look at the price structure of pharmaceuticals, they can charge so much more than for let’s say commodities, food products, and things like protein. So, I understand the scaling differential, but is the technology generally the same?

Mark Warner: It’s generally the same. As I like to say it’s somewhat the same. Most of the technologies we use to make novel proteins come from pharmaceuticals as a source. It just has become much more economical. And what I mean by that is as you say, pharmaceuticals is a much smaller scale. A five- or ten-thousand-liter fermenter is a good size fermenter in the pharmaceutical space. In the food space you would be looking at hundreds of thousands of liters per fermenter.

So, the other thing is where the facilities are located. So, when you look at a large-scale commercial fermentation facility three things make up seventy five percent of the cost: power, sugar, and labor. So first, people are often surprised that power is so big. They use a lot of electricity, they use a lot of sugar, and the labor is a large component. So, where you need to put these facilities is where you can get all three of those economically in places like the U.S. Midwest. The last facility I built was in Brazil. Today most of the facilities that people are using, the former farming facilities, predominantly are in Europe. They’re good facilities; the people are doing great with them, but they’re forty to fifty years old. So, they don’t have as modern of controls, and they often aren’t as efficient. So again, they can make it. It’s really an economic issue in many cases.

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